We continue to live in the late Soviet period of Catholicism. They pretend to make sense; we pretend to believe them.
-Andrew Sullivan, The Daily Dish
When I suggested yesterday that we should be talking seriously about masturbation, I was not aware that Andrew Sullivan had done exactly that in a post at The Daily Dish back in January (“How Natural Is Masturbation?”), with a couple of follow-up posts to report on reader comments.
Here are some pertinent extracts:
Now there’s a topic for some interesting dialogue. The Catholic church proclaims that wanking is as serious a sin as gay sex because all sexuality is designed to be exclusively procreative – both as a matter of divine will but also, critically, because this is readily apparent to anyone by reason alone.
(This claim of justification by “reason alone” is a favourite in Church documents and of church spokesmen – but frequently signals that there is no justification whatever outside the closed reasoning of the Vatican mind, not apparent to outsiders.)
Shaw was certainly right in saying that 99 percent of men masturbate and 1 percent are liars. I once caused a little stir at Notre Dame by pointing out that every priest in the audience was masturbator, as of course they all were.
(One could reasonably dispute Sullivan’s precise figures here – but I am certain they are in the right ball-park).
From a reader:
Recently scientists have determined that, at least in a man’s older years, masturbation seems to have some preventative properties in relation to prostate cancer. Indeed, some doctors are now prescribing “masturbation therapy” to men over fifty. If further research sufficiently determines the health benefits of masturbation, will the Catholic Church endorse it on that basis? Even more importantly, can I get a return on the several hours of Hail Marys I said in penance in my teenage years?
And an observation which is relevant to so much of the orthodox sexual ethics:
Nature is an elastic concept. The Church’s grasp of it remains umbilically linked to the biology of the thirteenth century. And its allegedly celibate clerisy is the only group allowed to examine it. Hence what most adult, intelligent human beings regard as the hilarity of the hierarchy’s claptrap.
At least one reader was appalled.
I think your beliefs about masturbation are largely at odds with traditional Christian teaching. I’m surprised someone as smart as you are would not think more critically about this issue, especially since you are a self-described Christian.
Sullivan’s reply is that his argument is in fact deeply rooted in orhodox theology:
My reader misses the focus of my posts, which was on the arguments of the new natural law. This …..posits, after Aquinas and Aristotle, that nature, as observed by reason alone, tells us something about the purpose of human behavior and life. When something is as ubiquitous as masturbation, when we now understand that massive over-production of sperm is in fact an evolutionary strategy to maximize chances of reproduction, and when we also notice that even in a marital, procreative relationship, a wife’s nine months of pregnancy renders all that spousal sperm incapable of producing children … then one wonders why rubbing one out from time to time is so unnatural.
From another reader, an important danger in the doctrine:
Telling teenagers in particular that both premarital sex and masturbation are sin, while providing no outlet for their proverbial raging hormones other than the delayed gratification of an ill-prepared prepared rush into marriage in their early twenties, sets an impossible and unhealthy standard.
Is the doctrine thereby contributing to disastrous marriages? And from one more reader, some thoughts based on real experience, not mere cerebral speculation:
The real objection the Church has isn’t that you are indulging in a lie. It is that you are indulging. The pleasure of any sexual activity, solo or otherwise, is a very inconvenient reality for the Church. One that priests are no better at denying themselves of than the rest of us. As much as the rational side of us might want to define sex as a utilitarian function, used only for procreation, no amount of scholarship can change the fact that it’s fun, that it feels good. That, at its best, it is ecstatic. Certainly not the kind of thing you want people engaging in if you’re trying to get them to forget about this world and focus on the next one.
On a personal note, my first wife, raised Catholic, had a great deal of guilt and anxiety about sex, and we had a truly awful sex life. Masturbation, although at times something of an indulgent vice, was also an activity I credit with keeping me somewhat sane through a highly frustrating time of my life, sexually speaking.
I can think of some Irish priests that maybe should have done a little more fantasizing and masturbating. Maybe not a long term answer, and certainly less fulfilling on so many levels than good sex mutually shared. But surely better that than preying on acolytes.
The Catholic Church originally instituted its policy of compulsory clerical celibacy in part as a means of control. It thereby created a two-tier caste system, whereby the supposedly celibate clergy were thereby perceived as morally superior – and the rest of the population, living sexual lives, were constantly faced with the prospect of falling into states of sin, which had perforce to be confessed to a priest for absolution.
- Krzysztof Charamsa, on masturbation
- Masturbation: Advice to a Catholic Teenager
- “Theological Endorsements of Masturbation”
- Let’s Talk About The Church’s Dirty Little Secret: Masturbation
- A Masturbation Conversation
- Sexual Ethics, Social Statistics, and the Sensus Fideii
- Pope Francis Promotes “Sensus Fideii”, Listening Church
- Pray, Don’t Pay, Disobey: The Catholic Revolution Has Begun.
- The Evolution of Catholic Teaching on Sex and Marriage.
- Catholic Sexual Ethics, Social Ethics, and Reality-Based Theology
- “The Sexual Person”
- “The Sexual Person”: Bishops, Theologians Clash on Sexual Ethics
- “So be it! Let’s talk about sex”.
- Wanking As STD Protection (andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com)
- Mistress Of Her Domain? (andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com)
- Pointing Fingers (andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com)
- Masturbation and its benefits (pinoychizmiz.wordpress.com)
- May is National Masturbation Month! (emancipatingsexuality.wordpress.com)
- Being Master Of Your Own Domain (dish.andrewsullivan.com)
One thought on “A Masturbation Conversation”
Most likely there isn’t much discussion about masturbation because there isn’t a political action group organized to see to its
proliferation. Proud buggers have their lobbyists, but the whackers remain in the closet. It might also be that Gays constantly seek new talent, while masturbators are happy to work alone. Maybe we should expand the cause….LGBTQW???